JayKulsh: This is Dr. Becker?
Dr. Becker: ..Speaking
JayKulsh: Dr. Becker, my
name is JayKulsh and I am calling you
from Los Angeles.
Dr. Becker: ..Yes?
JayKulsh: ...About 2 weeks ago
I sent you a letter by priority mail.
I do not have time to answer mail.
JayKulsh: Did you read that letter?
I doubt if I did. ..I just don't recall. ..I get an enormous amount of mail. It
is impossible for me ..uh.. no assistance... What can I do for you?.
JayKulsh: Well, ..it was just one page letter...
Tell me what it is?
JayKulsh: It was about DC electrotherapy and cancer. You write
about that in your book "Cross Currents."
Yeah... What can I tell you?
JayKulsh: Well.. I mean.. best way I could do was to write that
one page letter.. I cannot describe same thing...um....orally. ..You think you
might find that letter?
..I doubt very ...very ...very much. I get an enormous amount of mail...
JayKulsh: Let me just say this then...
...Tell me what it is?
JayKulsh: At the end of electrotherapy discussion for cancer..
in your book, you say that.. there is something missing here and.. we need a
more sophisticated approach to understand this phenomenon... because some people
did get cured.. 200 years ago by lightening and things like that... I wanted
to tell you that in fact it is possible to have a more sophisticated approach
if we talk about an enzyme which is very essential for cell growth... and so
that is what I wanted to talk...
JayKulsh: ..But you don't have time?
Dr. Becker: ..Well, I will give you couple of minutes right now. ...You got
me on the telephone... Go ahead.
JayKulsh: Well, my point is that.. are you still involved in
research? Or have you abandoned...
..I have not been doing research in this area since 1980..
JayKulsh: Unh hun
...I lost all of my research grants.. because I said things which were not very
popular with the Federal Government. And that was that!
JayKulsh: Unh hun
..So I have not done anything in this area since 1980. When I have time, I try
to keep ahead of what is happening in the field... and I know that there is work
going on.... but I am not involved in it.
JayKulsh: Well, I just wanted to tell you that there is an enzyme
by the name ribonucleotide reductase. It is the rate-limiting enzyme for DNA
JayKulsh: It has a very unique active-site which has a
free-radical there....and if you pass DC electric current at a certain
low-level... a few milli-ampere... then it is possible.. most likely to knock it
out or ...to change that radical into an anion. That way you deactivate that
enzyme and if you do so then, you know, it is not possible for cells to grow.
.and in fact, many chemotherapeutic drugs are aimed at this enzyme. ..so that is
..Has any work been done directly on .. involving that enzyme?
JayKulsh: In terms of cancer, you mean?
JayKulsh: Of course, enzyme is...
..OK... Has this been done in vitro?
JayKulsh: Only in vi... in fact chemotherapeutic drugs are
tested in vitro. And experiments are needed in vivo in fact ..with
DC electric current.
..You get deactivation in vitro?
JayKulsh: Yeah, sure in... the thing is that ... the
connection between the two has not been made. That is what I am saying something
Dr. Becker: ..Yeah.. well ...I can understand what you are saying. I think
that you are absolutely correct in that regard. It ought to be looked at...
JayKulsh: I was wondering if you can suggest any person who might be
doing in vivo experiments. I know some doctors... I think.. in New
Orleans.. that you were connected with ...Dr. Marino... names like that...
No, he is in Shreveport... not in New Orleans... Shreveport, Louisiana.
JayKulsh: Right, right.. Is there any other...?
..I don't believe that he is doing anything along those lines... but I have not
had any correspondence with him in quite a while...
JayKulsh: The last article I read by him was in 1992 and...he
used, you know, DC currents to treat tumors but he used totally different... I
mean, wrong... set of parameters. He used very high level of current... more
than, I think, 10 milli-ampere...
Quite a few people would do that... and obviously you will kill a tumor that way
but you are going to kill anything that way.
JayKulsh: Yeah... but.. in fact his results were rather
discouraging because if you look at the previous papers, they got much better
results with lower milli-ampere and... used the voltage much lower than
what he was using... he was using, I think, 15 to 20 voltage.
Dr. Becker: There is also another doctor.. I can't remember his
first name --Nordenstrom!
JayKulsh: ..But his approach is totally different... -- the Swedish
Dr. Becker: Yeah.
JayKulsh: ...My main contention is -- it is not electrolysis or
electrochemical reaction that you need...
Dr. Becker: Unh hun..
JayKulsh: You just need to knock off this free-radical, and all you
need are some free-floating electrons in the medium...
Dr. Becker: Unh hun..
JayKulsh: That's all there is need of... And if use too high current
or two high voltage, there will be some electrolysis which is undesirable.
Dr. Becker: Hunh... No, no, I agree with you on that... but I don't know anyone who is using
very low current and voltage.
JayKulsh: Well.... initially those doctors like... Dr. Humphrey who published paper in Science
in 1959... and then Dr. Schauble of... I think they were from Vermont... who published their paper in 1977. And you
refer to these papers in your book "Cross Currents".
Dr. Becker: Yeah...
JayKulsh: And Dr. Schauble... I think she was using only 1.5 voltage and 3 milli-ampere...
and she got one of the better results.
Dr. Becker: Yeah, yea... but I don't know if that has been replicated.
JayKulsh: In fact, that is what I wrote in my letter about.
There was another paper in 1985 by some... five scientists from Canada and it was published in Cancer Research
-- no obscure journal. And they used anywhere from 1 to 2.8 milli-ampere current ...and voltage being between 2 and 3 volts
...and they had up to 98% reduction in tumor mass, which was virtual cure...
Dr. Becker: Unh hun..
JayKulsh: But what is so unfortunate is -- none of these things have been followed up... because people
don't know the underlying mechanism.
Dr. Becker: Well, that's... that's probably correct... and also because unless you are capable of
protecting with a patent application, the technology... it will never see the light of the day.
JayKulsh: Yeah, nobody will... I mean.. no company will benefit from it since it is such an ordinary
Dr. Becker: That is correct. It would be... it would be, you know... public... public information,
Dr. Becker: And any company that decided that it would do some work along these lines... and got it through
FDA, which is a very difficult thing to do, then they could open the market but anybody else...
JayKulsh: ...can do it too...
Dr. Becker: ...can do the same thing without spending all the money to go through the FDA. Hence nothing
like this is going to happen.
JayKulsh: You mean to say... I mean... I like to think that
cancer is not only a disease, it is also an industry...
Dr. Becker: Well...
JayKulsh: ...There is cancer research side and there is cancer
treatment side....and you know, hundreds of thousands of people are making a living off it.
Dr. Becker: It supports more people than it kills.
JayKulsh: (bursts into a laugh) Right, right....
Dr. Becker: I agree with you completely. I don't know anything that
can be done...
JayKulsh: So you cannot even suggest a name... I am thinking of writing, you know, to National Cancer
Institute and see if they react at all.
Dr. Becker: Well, that is something you can do... certainly. ...I don't know what kind of response you will
get from this. I really could not answer this.
JayKulsh: Unh hun.
Dr. Becker: My expectations would be that your response would be negative but I can't say.
JayKulsh: All right. Thank you for your time.
Dr. Becker: OK, very good! I hope you've lots of luck.
Dr. Becker: Bye-bye.